In this episode of the 4 Fit Fatherhood Podcast, Rod sits down with John Mulligan, also known as Johnny Utah, for a conversation that goes way beyond hunting.

This episode is about discipline, patience, work ethic, marriage, raising kids, masculinity, identity, and what it looks like to lead your family with strength and control.

John shares stories about his upbringing, the hard lessons he learned from his father, the meaning behind “work more hours,” how he tries to balance being strong and supportive with his own kids, and why every man needs something that keeps him grounded.

If you are a father trying to lead better, stay disciplined, and become harder to break in a distracted world, this one is for you.

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Instagram: @johnny.utahunt

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TIMESTAMPS

*00:00* Why this conversation is bigger than hunting
*01:22* Meet John Mulligan aka Johnny Utah
*02:34* Growing up with a tough father and learning work ethic
*05:20* Law enforcement, entrepreneurship, and finding hunting later in life
*07:41* Why living away from chaos helps John stay grounded
*09:46* Rod and John on fathers who led through discipline
*12:18* John’s father softening later in life
*14:11* The meaning of “work more hours”
*17:18* Raising respectful kids and balancing support with discipline
*20:27* Why fathers need balance, not extremes
*21:21* Becoming a parent without having it all figured out
*23:17* Sports, hunting, and teaching kids responsibility
*28:23* What hunting teaches about patience and preparation
*31:04* Words, actions, and the arrow you can’t take back
*32:02* iPads, distraction, and being truly present with your kids
*34:29* Invisible work, making time, and fatherhood discipline
*36:23* Marriage, family roles, and staying connected as husband and wife
*38:25* The identity inside every role a man carries
*44:21* What Primal Divide really means
*49:22* Why John stepped away from TV hunting
*51:43* Returning to law enforcement and training with Pepperball
*56:30* Rod on virtual learning and real-world education
*1:02:30* Hunting, conservation, and misunderstood truth
*1:06:14* Why it is never too late to change direction
*1:08:59* Rapid fire questions
*1:13:27* The Johnny Utah nickname story
*1:15:32* Where to follow John
*1:18:04* Final takeaway: don’t drift, lead

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